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‘Damping blade’ (suspension)
« on: August 10, 2023, 08:27:11 pm »
Noticed this recent(ish) Swedish research;

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14763141.2022.2063757

https://www.instagram.com/blade.science/
https://www.facebook.com/BladeScience
https://www.youtube.com/@bladescience/videos
https://www.tiktok.com/@blade.science

Interesting, and if it helps prevent injury; great, however in different sports new equipment can be controversial.
NBA, & the World Athletics, for example, have banned some (bouncy) shoes that might provide an unfair advantage.

I wonder what the ISU will make of it for tests/competitions?
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Re: ‘Damping blade’ (suspension)
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2023, 10:10:03 am »
I saw that on Instagram a while ago but have never seen any "in the wild".  As they appear to be aimed at reducing injury rather than enhancing performance, they might not cause too much controversy but...

I was away from the skating world when the "revolution" blade technology came in so have no idea how that was received. Other than with horror by me when I first saw the ugliness! Ditto Edea Piano...
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Re: ‘Damping blade’ (suspension)
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2023, 09:45:44 pm »
I was away from the skating world when the "revolution" blade technology came in so have no idea how that was received.


That's weird; so the main selling point for the Revolution (& Phoenix) blades is the reduced weight; but I can't seem to see the (grams) difference listed anywhere..? Obviously it would vary depending on the blade length. And as a percentage of the total skater, dependant on their weight, but I'm wondering if it really has an advantage. In terms of 'bounce', it looks pretty rigid to me, though you can't see from the covering if there are slots (rather than holes) in the blade, to allow the frame to bend slightly.

With all this chatter about the environment at the moment, you'd of thought they'd come up with a recyclable blade.
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Re: ‘Damping blade’ (suspension)
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2023, 01:01:31 pm »
I've got Coronation Ace Revolution.  Before I bought them my supplier checked with John Wilson and was told that standard blades in my size were 660g and Revolution blades were 600g - 10% lighter.  Not really noticeable.  I haven't noticed them damping my landings but if you only leave the ground by a few cm then you're not going to.

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Re: ‘Damping blade’ (suspension)
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2023, 01:24:08 pm »
I've got Coronation Ace Revolution.  Before I bought them my supplier checked with John Wilson and was told that standard blades in my size were 660g and Revolution blades were 600g - 10% lighter.  Not really noticeable.  I haven't noticed them damping my landings but if you only leave the ground by a few cm then you're not going to.

The Revolution blades were designed for lightness to help with triple and quad jumps. It's not something that is useful or helpful for skaters at lower levels. Jumps are best learned and mastered in traditional blades, keeping the little boost for when it's really needed, ie for triples/quads.

Adult skaters, however, want all of the shiny things and will happily argue for them so it made good financial sense for JW to extend the technology to the hugely popular Coronation Ace for those adults who didn't have the ego to insist they needed elite equipment.

I never recommend the Revolution or Lite versions, unless the skater physically needs lighter equipment (I've known a couple of skaters who were so tiny that they struggled with traditional boots and blades) but learning with the traditional blade structure makes it far easier to learn catch foot moves, especially spins where it's hard enough trying to locate your free foot without the added intricacy of getting a grip on blades without decent space to get a hold!

As far as I'm aware, Revolution blades aren't designed for a cushioning effect, although I could be wrong on that. These new blades, however, are designed to cushion landings and hopefully prevent stress on the landing leg.
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Re: ‘Damping blade’ (suspension)
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2023, 01:30:52 pm »
My former coach tried to get me to do catch foot stuff.  I should have politely asked her not to; more wasted time to add on to all the other things I was never going to be able to do.  The blades look nice, and I like to support innovation.  Other than the extra money, I couldn't (and can't) see a downside.


It wasn't lack of ego that led me to buy Aces rather than Gold Seal, just couldn't see the extra money would have been justified given that my kids, who skated (and still skate) way better than I ever could, even now that they hardly go on the ice, both used Aces.

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Re: ‘Damping blade’ (suspension)
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2023, 01:36:58 pm »
My former coach tried to get me to do catch foot stuff.  I should have politely asked her not to; more wasted time to add on to all the other things I was never going to be able to do.  The blades look nice, and I like to support innovation.  Other than the extra money, I couldn't (and can't) see a downside.


It wasn't lack of ego that led me to buy Aces rather than Gold Seal, just couldn't see the extra money would have been justified given that my kids, who skated (and still skate) way better than I ever could, even now that they hardly go on the ice, both used Aces.

EXACTLY! It's a totally waste of money for most people! And most people regularly wince at the not inconsiderable cost of ice time and lessons, so why they feel they need to spend hundreds of pounds on kit that won't help them at all defeats me.

Personally, I also think they are the ugliest things on the planet, up there with Auras and Edea Piano... 😳🤣
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Re: ‘Damping blade’ (suspension)
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2023, 01:42:51 pm »
Well I have Edeas so perhaps I have poor taste.  They are Chorus - considerably less ugly than Ice Fly or Piano.  But they have worked for me - no foot problems, no break in time, durable.

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Re: ‘Damping blade’ (suspension)
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2023, 01:49:14 pm »
Well I have Edeas so perhaps I have poor taste.  They are Chorus - considerably less ugly than Ice Fly or Piano.  But they have worked for me - no foot problems, no break in time, durable.

If Edeas work for your feet, then that's great and Chorus sound like the right level of boot for you, so you'll get no criticism from me! (But those Pianos are like Barbie boots!)
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Re: ‘Damping blade’ (suspension)
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2023, 01:52:55 pm »
They are rightish, though I would like my heels to be locked in place much more than they are.  Finding UK shops where you can try on that stock a good range of mid level figure boots in size 9.5 is tricky.  They are all happy to order in, as are the online suppliers, but they usually classed as special order so you are committed to buying them.

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Re: ‘Damping blade’ (suspension)
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2023, 07:29:18 pm »
If it helps, I believe that Everglides are happy to order in for you if you go there for a fitting and subsequently to try them when they arrive. If the boots aren't right, you don't have to pay for them. If you just want them ordered in on spec, without the fitting, then they will charge you, at least a restocking fee. I think that's the case. Worth confirming it if you would like a proper fitting.

Few shops carry much of selection in mens' boots in larger sizes, because stock is expensive and too many people use them as "showrooms" and then buy from the internet...
Returned to the ice in Sept 2017 after a major leg injury in 1999. Skating in Jackson Elite Pro & MK Vision Syncro. Still scary after all these years.



 

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