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Re: Encouraging STEM, saving ice skating
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2023, 05:55:58 pm »
Indeed all true.


I didn't know - too busy skating (earlier) and swimming (in a minute).


Would still like to see more done in schools rather than nudging adults - think schools are where your habits are formed, catch them early.  Make sure they can all swim - shocked to see adults at my swimming pool who can hardly swim.

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Re: Encouraging STEM, saving ice skating
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2023, 12:49:25 pm »
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31. AC efficiency; mentioned #13 about reducing indoor/outdoor mixing, however the opposite could have advantages.
Certain times of the day, & times of the year the outside air conditions might be favourable to bring in more air.
You'd need a local thermo-hydrograph, in a Stevenson screen, possibly on telemetry, combined with detailed arena metrics.
Looking at weather forecasts; say Thur/Fri are cool/dry, but the weekend warmer/wetter, with a home game Saturday.
Due to the arena size you could possibly 'charge-up' with fresh external cold air, then later switch to internal AC only.
This would result in less cooling power being required during the week overall.
Also think of the old ice cubes & fan trick during the summer; integrate the ice pit with the AC.

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Re: Encouraging STEM, saving ice skating
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2023, 04:43:10 pm »
I previously mentioned (#25) about wind power.
This looks like an interesting technology; https://ridgeblade.com

Some recent testing in Liverpool -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecLdmm-V89A  (3:02)
Very quiet/silent, & possibly available later this year..
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Re: Encouraging STEM, saving ice skating
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2023, 04:51:41 pm »
Interesting.  At least it won't chop birds up quite as much as the standard ones apparently do.

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« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2023, 06:04:34 pm »
Indeed, too many have died :( . I'm guessing it also won't suffer the delamination issues, and it will use more components that are recyclable, and consume less/no oil in usage. (do an images search for 'wind turbine on fire' - the black smoke; that's the lubricant oil combusting) I'm all for 'green tech', but it needs to be better, a lot better.

RidgeBlade could also be CornerBlade? if vertically mounted at the wall corners of an arena to catch the air funnelling around; like a modern version of this (images search) 'Nashtifan windmill'.
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Re: Encouraging STEM, saving ice skating
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2023, 06:09:25 pm »
I'd not heard of a Nashtifan windmill


Cool!

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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2023, 06:10:04 pm »
Currently ice rink refrigeration plants use the evaporative cooling technique.
However there are other methods, like thermoacoustic refrigeration.
A couple of clips that explain this process:

Acoustic Cooling & How To Manipulate Heat With Sound (Thermoacoustics Part 2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkBBkQ8jFRY (19:29)

Understanding Thermoacoustic Engines & Refrigerators (CZE Subtitles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRT02NcPD9U (7:03)

Will it be more energy efficient than evaporative? Perhaps, yet to be determined.
A couple of companies R&D'ing in the market (there are others).

https://www.equium.fr/en/home (France)

https://www.blueheartenergy.com (Netherlands)
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa4rLs7u1bQ  2:47)

Scheduled to be available in 2024/2025.
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Re: Encouraging STEM, saving ice skating
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2023, 03:49:27 pm »
A couple of other cooling techniques that I didn't know about;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_refrigeration
I noticed this UK company in the area; https://camfridge.com
"is cost-competitive with conventional vapour compression cooling"
I'd like to see some more tech data on this part.

Also I was looking at how caravans and motorhomes chill and discovered;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_refrigerator
Runs on electric/gas or external heat; though quoted as being less efficient than evaporation refrigeration.
Possible it could be seasonally powered by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power
(also thinking of Australia, with its approx. 20 ice rinks)
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« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2023, 01:11:03 pm »
Thinking about #24 - a honeycombed ceiling tile to reduce thermal reflectivity, and how best to mass manufacture this.
Then I realised that this has already been engineered with the production of corrugated cardboard.
Do an images search for ‘single-facer diagram’ - ingenious!
Using the same process lots of narrow strips could be quickly made, and then stacked vertically.
Need to be careful on the adhesive front though since aluminium is very reactive.


Interestingly the world’s blackest material, Vantablack (which absorbs up to 99.965% of visible light) also traps photons in the infrared wavelength too.
Note that this coating is not practical for this scenario due to cost, availability etc, but it does use the same technique.
Test Data (Page 4) To help explain the graphs:

For the graph on the left, for the x axis say roughly:
10 - 400 nanometers (nm) is the ultraviolet area.
400 - 750 nanometers (nm) is the visible light area.
750 - 1400 nanometers (nm) is the near-infrared area.

For the graph on the right, for the x axis say roughly:
(Note the change in scale, and that there is a gap between the data of the two graphs!)
2 - 3 micrometres (μm) is the short-wavelength infrared area.
3 - 8 micrometres (μm) is the mid-wavelength infrared area.
8 - 15 micrometres (μm) is the long-wavelength infrared area. <- this is the thermal imaging/infrared area.

Obviously corrugated aluminium foil is not going to be as small as nanotubes, but it would be interesting to see what the results would be.
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Re: Encouraging STEM, saving ice skating
« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2023, 01:22:28 pm »
I mentioned about a night cover for the ice (#11)
Looks like this rink is already taking advantage of this;
https://arena-guide.com/go-green/cover-your-ice-overnight/

"to lay blanket (apx. 20 minutes)" // "remove and store blanket (apx. 30 minutes)"
Interesting - thinking that there might be a quicker modus operandi..

Also I mentioned about ice alloys/roof coatings; but forgot about the pad paint!
https://arena-guide.com/go-green/use-non-toxic-reflective-and-thermally-conductive-paints/
Nice one!
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Re: Encouraging STEM, saving ice skating
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2023, 07:07:59 am »
Rather than building warehouse type arenas, engineers could probably benefit from techniques used in ancient fridges, or ice houses. (there’s still quite a few preserved in the UK)

Also consider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw-bale_construction if building thick stone walls (like an ice house) is expensive these days. (This Bristol company, as an example; https://www.modcell.com/about-us/)

Nice twist on the green roof idea by Egypt.

Plus some interesting stuff regarding Pumpable Ice Technology (PIT).
The short version: it’s more efficient to make; it can be produced at optimal times, and stored for later use.
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