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Re: New NISA/BIS levels
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2020, 09:47:12 am »
Didn't miss it.  NISA/BIS really know how to cheese off adult skaters, don't they? And adult skaters should be a lucrative source of income of handled correctly rather than being taunted with mostly unachievable goals.  I'm hoping there will be a properly thought out 'Adult Track' test structure unveiled soon but...

In an ideal world, there would be a two track system where people are free to choose either competitive or recreational paths but joined up thinking is sadly lacking at BIS.  :o

I'm not adversely affected by it.  I seem to recall that one of the things I hate most in the Field Moves (spirals on the flat of the blade) has been scrapped, so it's actually better for me!
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Re: New NISA/BIS levels
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2020, 09:05:59 pm »
Can you summarise what has changed?  Just curious - I quit NISA years ago and got off the treadmill.

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Re: New NISA/BIS levels
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2020, 12:42:26 pm »
All the 'basic' stuff stays the same; https://www.national-ice-centre.com/ice-skating-lessons-progression/

It's the 1-10 NISA judged levels that are rejigged.

Now it appears to be graded as: Level 1, Level 2, Level 3, Basic Novice, Intermediate Novice, Advanced Novice, Junior, Senior.

It looks like they've set them to international competitive standard?
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Re: New NISA/BIS levels
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2020, 12:45:03 pm »
Yes, that makes sense.  Thanks.  IIRC hardest jump in L10 elements is a 2Lz.  I think that doesn't even count in senior comps...

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Re: New NISA/BIS levels
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2020, 07:12:06 am »
That's a bummer and is certainly not considering that vast majority of skaters. There was, and imho should be, a difference between passing at any level, and what it takes to be competitive at that level. Skating well, and being a superstar should not be tied together.

Although the thought does occur to me that this might be a way to prevent sandbagging in the standard track.  In the US, a strategy for those showing olympic potential was to put off testing as long as possible (usually tied to age) to stay in lower categories so they'd gain a better record, reputation amongst the judges, and to intimidate the other competitors. Mind games.

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Re: New NISA/BIS levels
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2020, 09:56:28 am »
I believe these days NISA are giving people test passes from doing competitions, in order to try and prevent sandbagging.

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Re: New NISA/BIS levels
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2020, 03:58:49 pm »
That's a bummer and is certainly not considering that vast majority of skaters. There was, and imho should be, a difference between passing at any level, and what it takes to be competitive at that level. Skating well, and being a superstar should not be tied together.

It's a bit of a minefield for BIS, really.  Whilst a lot of adults would welcome a proper "adult track", there are quite a number of others who are vociferously against it as they want to feel that they are just as good as the children when they pass a test.  These tend to be adults who have either skated a lot as youngsters or who took it up at an early enough stage in adulthood, and with enough resources that they can train extensively to get a higher standard of skating.  It's a difficult one.  I think it will be nigh on impossible to please everybody!
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Re: New NISA/BIS levels
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2020, 05:05:14 pm »
It's a bit of a minefield for BIS, really.  Whilst a lot of adults would welcome a proper "adult track", there are quite a number of others who are vociferously against it as they want to feel that they are just as good as the children when they pass a test.  These tend to be adults who have either skated a lot as youngsters or who took it up at an early enough stage in adulthood, and with enough resources that they can train extensively to get a higher standard of skating.  It's a difficult one.  I think it will be nigh on impossible to please everybody!

Here in France, we have an adult track.  I have the choice of whether I pass standard or adult in testing sessions.  During adult competitions, validation is automatic if the adult standards are passed.  Fwiw, I skated as a kid, and tested up into the pre-silvers (=Bronze here in France, 14, European and Foxtrot).  When I returned, I thought I was going to test standard, but then I realized that it was hard enough to pass under the adult track!  I don't see what BIS can't have both and give people the choice.