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santa-maria

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Re: Compulsory Dance videos
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2010, 06:10:35 pm »
As a jealous free skater I know nothing..but shouldn't be solo dance (except free dance) kind of preparation for being able to skate as a couple? Cos I think that's a point of ice dance, you don't see ballroom dance competitions for singles.. ;D

And because ATonkin has a dry sense of humour and that kind of sceptical irony (perfect click with mine) which can be sometimes misunderstand over here doesn't mean he doesn't have a lot of pointers.. 8)

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Re: Compulsory Dance videos
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2010, 06:26:53 pm »
taichibear believe me I have met atonkin in real life he is definately not intimidating.  I have even had the pleasure of dancing with him when not doing my "solo ice dance snob routine" that is!!!!!!  


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phew, that's good to know!!
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Re: Compulsory Dance videos
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2010, 07:01:39 pm »
To be fair to taichibear, ATonkin does come accross a bit like that for those here who don't know him. I would surely not want to be neither his coach (well we read his opinion on coaches) nor his dancing partner.

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Re: Compulsory Dance videos
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2010, 09:41:11 pm »
Well ATonkin knows well my views on the subject of solo dance.  :)

Having done both, I can say that I had no choice but to solo dance when there were no men at our rink.  Having since done couples dance, I did enjoy it very much and was very successful with my former partner (current BAC champs! :)) but would be very wary of skating with a partner again since my partner was extremely rude to me at the end, made irrational and untrue accusations and then refused to speak to me and was very aggressively rude when I tried to smooth things over and talk to him as I had no idea why he suddenly wasn't even speaking to me. I've still no idea what his problem was or is but am now very happily back doing solo dance.  I am very proud of all we achieved in couples dance in such a short time but it would have to be a really nice guy to tempt me back to couples dance.

So definitely not a solo snob and would love to dance couples again but not keen to be 'used and abused' which is how I feel at the moment.

A friend of mine (sadly no longer with us) gave me some lovely old training videos of couples dance but I don't think the 22 step was on there.  If I can  find them I will check.
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Re: Compulsory Dance videos
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2010, 09:29:10 pm »
Hello everyone, I am the ex-partner refered to in the post below (and numerous others):

Having since done couples dance, I did enjoy it very much and was very successful with my former partner (current BAC champs! :)) but would be very wary of skating with a partner again since my partner was extremely rude to me at the end, made irrational and untrue accusations and then refused to speak to me and was very aggressively rude when I tried to smooth things over and talk to him as I had no idea why he suddenly wasn't even speaking to me. I've still no idea what his problem was or is but am now very happily back doing solo dance.

I originally hoped that after she had let off some steam at the time, batikat would let things go, but as she's continuing to recount the same set of lies and misleading half-truths and as it has been pointed out to me that her signature makes it trivial for anyone to identify who we are, I have decided to post a brief version of events from my perspective.

As has already been stated, we made good progress in our competitions in 2009, with a very satisfying result at Oxford. I thought that we were then looking forward to our first IJS event at BAC and hoped to be able to take feedback from BAC to improve things and compete in Germany for the first time. Our coach was extremely supportive of this plan and had us working on new elements. I have a good friend in the US who is a Technical Specialist who was going to help us on the IJS side of things, so everything was looking great.

Unfortunately after Oxford we were not getting regular practice as a couple and it became rare to spend more time working on things out of a lesson than we were in our normal lessons.

By the time February came around, we had not made progress on any of the new elements our coach had been trying to get us to work on and indeed it was clear that almost nothing that we were doing was going to be good enough to be called under IJS. I became frustrated and just over a week before BAC expressed the desire to pull out as I didn't want to waste the vacation time, etc on what to me was going to be a wasted trip.

The discussion that followed (which is the first occasion of me being "very rude" to batikat) made it clear that we had different approaches to competition and preparation and that these approaches were not compatible. What I saw as a minimum amount of work from each of us outside of lessons was "taking the fun out of skating" and what she saw as a reasonable approach to training was far less than I was willing to do if I was going to enter a competition and present something to an audience and judges.

Our coach mediated and in the end we all agreed that I would stick with it for the BAC competition as we had already sent in the entry form and that the partnership would then end.

I then came down with a chest infection, which didn't help, but in any case we skated at Sheffield. As expected, we did not skate well, but due to the way they had split up the classes into lots of different age groups, we still ended up winning some medals.

I then had several weeks off the ice and multiple trips to the doctors before I recovered enough to return to a normal lesson schedule towards the end of March.

When I got back from Sheffield, I sent batikat an email congratulating her on her result in the free skating and to let her know that I wouldn't be in for a while due to the illness and that she should feel free to take whichever of our couples lessons she wanted and I would arrange new slots with our coach once I returned. I mentioned our earlier discussion with the coach in which we agreed that our differing approaches were not compatible.

When I returned, it was to discover that she had been spreading all sorts of malicious lies about me around the rink and on various internet fora and as a result I elected to stay out of the online and in person discussions.

Anything I said or did in the following months kept getting twisted and changed. Perhaps she thought that what she was saying to me to other people wouldn't make its way back to me, but whatever the reason, it was clear that I could not gain anything by engaging her and elected to stick to "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything".

The final incident refered to above (the "aggresively rude" bit) when she tried to "smooth things over" with me, was after she had spent a long period of time treating me in the same manner that she treats another adult skater at our rink with whom she has fallen out. She perhaps forgot telling me all about her scheme for how to talk to and behave around this skater to wind her up and so seemed surprised when I recognised that she was doing the same thing to me.

Anyway, I had been careful to stay away from her on the ice (whether she was in a lesson or not) and one morning she came up to me and refused to leave me alone. After clarifying that she seemed to believe everything that she had been saying about me (and therefore there was no point in me trying to argue with her), I asked her to leave me alone on several occasions and finally skated away from her, presumably in an "agressively rude" manner.

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Re: Compulsory Dance videos
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2010, 10:07:59 pm »
Hello everyone, I am the ex-partner refered to in the post below (and numerous others):

(whole post).

You are welcome to believe your version but you and I both know the truth.  I have told no lies but your version totally misrepresents the truth (no mention of me making every effort to get back on the ice after a very nasty accident just prior to BAC  for example) and the other skater you mention is the one you agreed was indulging in bullying behaviour towards me.
 
You could at any time have discussed with me what your problem was but you chose not to speak to me from the Monday following Sheffield when we were both on the ice.  I'd love to know what malicious lies I'm supposed  to have told - that's quite an accusation.   I know I did not say anything untrue so maybe you your sources were twisting things. You could of course have cleared that up with me at any time if you'd spoken with me but you chose not to.

I am not going to stoop to the level of refuting every point in your post (although I could) but would be happy to speak to you about it at any time as I was before.

I wish you all the best in the future.
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Re: Compulsory Dance videos
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2010, 10:14:24 pm »
Hang on, just getting some ice cream in the interval ...

batikat

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Re: Compulsory Dance videos
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2010, 11:11:51 pm »
Sorry show's over!
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Re: Compulsory Dance videos
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2010, 12:33:23 am »
Hang on, just getting some ice cream in the interval ...

Good call. Grab me a large coke while you're there!! ;D
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Re: Compulsory Dance videos
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2010, 01:02:46 am »
Good call. Grab me a large coke while you're there!! ;D

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santa-maria

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Re: Compulsory Dance videos
« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2010, 09:30:36 am »
And damn again..I missed all the action.. 8)
Did anybody taped the fight..? ;D


No seriously, it's sad to see dance couple breaking up as you are so rare..On the other hand if partnership can't survive little 'I'm not talking to you' it's not worth keeping..we periodically shout, scream, fight, kick and even push on ice ( :angel: sorry for tuesday) but I would stand up for my skating partner no matter what cos I made my choice..
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