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General Ice Skating Chat / Re: Struggling with crossovers!
« Last Post by spinZZ on Yesterday at 09:02:53 PM »
I'll hold my hands up as guilty trying to learn crossovers before being able to properly hold an outside edge. But I've definitely recognised I've tried to take a short cut - borne purely out of frustration at having to slow down on corners.

Outside edges are my current nemesis, as said by Leif its really hard to learn the balance as you don't use your inside leg to count balance but you use your outer leg instead. Its something seemingly so simple, but really hard to get to grips with!

I try to do those figure of 8s, inside edges really easy, outside edges are a wobbly mess and half the time I aren't even properly on the outside edge as I wobble out of it. Its tricky.
(1) Edges (especially deep edges) are intrinsically easier to learn for inside rather than outside.  If you are leaning inside, and your edge starts to slip, you can simply place your free foot on the ice, and it will save you from a fall.  But, if you are leaning outside, and your edge starts to slip, you don't have that safety net ... you probably will fall. 

(2) If you continue to have problems with your outside edges, have a coach or skate tech check your feet and skates.  If you over-pronate, you will have great difficulty getting on to an outside edge unless you provide correction in your gear:  (a) a corrective footbed, (b) moving the blade to the inside, or (c) shimming the blade on the outside (in some cases, a combination of two or all three of the corrections is needed).
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General Ice Skating Chat / Re: inline skating
« Last Post by Leif on Yesterday at 08:13:34 PM »

Ah you've got it all covered then.


Regarding where your weight is, that sounds correct and logical to me.  I heard a coach use the metaphor of a speedboat - going forward the front points up a bit and the back points down, going backwards would be the opposite.  And they are great for curing toe pushing for us figure skaters as you will fall if you do that on wheels.

Thanks. Itís good to know Iíve figured out the weight distribution. Iíve often found with ice skating as well as inlines, you tube videos tend not to mention this Ďsmallí detail. For me ice skating has the inverse weight distribution. Odd.
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General Ice Skating Chat / Re: Boot stiffness
« Last Post by WednesdayMarch on Yesterday at 08:45:59 AM »
I am to the point of starting my own boot company.
 ;D ;D

Fantastic!  Please make them prettier than Edea and those even more hideous new ones...
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General Ice Skating Chat / Re: inline skating
« Last Post by transmissionoftheflame on Yesterday at 07:32:06 AM »
I wear gloves, no way am I going bare handed on tarmac. Wish Iíd kept my old hockey gloves for inlining! Oh my lunge stops are very good, and I can slow with alternate parallel turns ie slalom, so I have no issues with hills, even steep ones.


Ah you've got it all covered then.


Regarding where your weight is, that sounds correct and logical to me.  I heard a coach use the metaphor of a speedboat - going forward the front points up a bit and the back points down, going backwards would be the opposite.  And they are great for curing toe pushing for us figure skaters as you will fall if you do that on wheels.
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General Ice Skating Chat / Re: inline skating
« Last Post by Leif on Yesterday at 07:27:48 AM »
I wear gloves, no way am I going bare handed on tarmac. Wish Iíd kept my old hockey gloves for inlining! Oh my lunge stops are very good, and I can slow with alternate parallel turns ie slalom, so I have no issues with hills, even steep ones.
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General Ice Skating Chat / Re: Struggling with crossovers!
« Last Post by Leif on Yesterday at 07:24:35 AM »
I'll hold my hands up as guilty trying to learn crossovers before being able to properly hold an outside edge. But I've definitely recognised I've tried to take a short cut - borne purely out of frustration at having to slow down on corners.

Outside edges are my current nemesis, as said by Leif its really hard to learn the balance as you don't use your inside leg to count balance but you use your outer leg instead. Its something seemingly so simple, but really hard to get to grips with!

I try to do those figure of 8s, inside edges really easy, outside edges are a wobbly mess and half the time I aren't even properly on the outside edge as I wobble out of it. Its tricky.

Just keep on trying and as TOTF says, one day it will crack. Sometimes there is a trick to it, sometimes itís the scariness to overcome. With outside edges itís partly fear, partly learning the body position. Clockwise transitions terrifed me so I took them slowly and did them often until the fear went away and I could then work on improving the technique. I wonít even attempt the loony moves done by figure skaters. That said, I tried 3 turns last night, rode a RFI edge, then rotated the foot CW, kinda worked albeit poorly, odd how with time you start to feel your edges.
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General Ice Skating Chat / Re: inline skating
« Last Post by transmissionoftheflame on Yesterday at 07:23:58 AM »
Ah you really need to get wristguards before you tarmac your palms!


Asha is UK based when she is not touring the world.  Mainly London, and a bit in Brighton.  Beginner and improver lessons are mainly done by her able assistants but if you can I'd go for a private with her.  She'll give you very clear instructions on a small number of basics to focus on.  There are tutorials on lone too.  Yes, she's injured but you would not think it - there's a huge amount of hard work that goes into maintaining her fitness.  She's a skating miracle, manages to skate elegantly in what seem to me silly tri-skates with huge wheels - which by the way are meant to be really good for street and long distance skating but less good for tricks and certainly no good for hockey.


Talking of hockey there's a street hockey scene at the Albert Memorial.  Emirates Stadium is a good place for practice - flat and no traffic, just Arsenal tourists.


If I street skated anywhere with hills I would get a heel brake otherwise I agree with you about stopping.


These two sites are good:


https://www.youtube.com/user/PintoPonyProductions - he's a force of nature


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUsSCs1s8a4UKmQ0KPQ2ShQ











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General Ice Skating Chat / Re: inline skating
« Last Post by Leif on Yesterday at 07:10:42 AM »
Thanks all, esp. TOTF. Very informative.

I agree about the surfaces, some local roads are rough which is not nice, they shake up my aging joints. But some local roads are very smooth. WM: you can try parks, business estates and car parks out of hours, and of course country lanes if you are close to open countryside. I donít wear wrist guards, thus far when I fall I deliberately land on my knee pads, or on my elbow pads. I have only fallen (many times) when attempting a hockey stop by exaggerating a lunge turn.

What I noticed is that the balance seems different in that when I skate forwards, I put the weight towards the heels, and when I skate backwards, my weight is towards the toes. I am not sure if that is right, but itís what I do. I was unable to skate backwards until I started lifting my heels. I like the fact that I have to think more about my stance and balance which seems to be good for ice skating. I did public skating last night, and the inline seems not to have damaged it, if anything my balance was better.

I have 80mm wheels, all the same size, and no brake. I think being able to do a lunge stop is more than good enough for stopping. The skates are chewed up where they have hit asphalt. I donít think I would be comfortable skating when people are present, some of those you tubers zoom around passers by, it looks hgh risk to me, but then I am an old fart. TOTF: are those online courses with Asha, or in person? I canít remember where you are based. Her skating technique looks very good, apparently she had a serious hip injury.
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General Ice Skating Chat / Re: Boot stiffness
« Last Post by Mindoro1972 on April 23, 2019, 06:28:36 PM »
I am to the point of starting my own boot company.
 ;D ;D
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General Ice Skating Chat / Re: Struggling with crossovers!
« Last Post by WednesdayMarch on April 23, 2019, 05:20:32 PM »
I never tried that, back when I was doing That Sort Of Thing.  Wish I had now...  ::)

I did love that one in the Rocker Foxtrot.  Used to put it in my Artistic/Interpretive programmes, too.  Since coming back to skating, I'm a bit wussy about it, but I'll get it back properly.  I will...
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